Hello. I'm here to challenge. When I look over the talking points of this movement I see the same old things I've been observing with the 'NWO' agenda. I figure since these cirtiques exist outside of here it'd be best to have you guys explain this (confusion?). Thing is this board seems to have a bad reputation for deleting critical posts and banning critial posters. I hope thats not the case, as it would seem to confirm the allegations I'm about to post.

The “Zeitgeist Movement” and cosponsor “Venus Project” are a most hardcore front in the New World Order / Neo-Communist / Neo-Eugenicist-Transhumanist agenda, whether witting or not.

It calls for:

1. Global Government.

2. AI Automatons replacing humans as workers.

3. AGI (‘Skynet’) Supercomuters controlling most aspects of politics and society, including rationing global resources to global citizens. If they actually thought this out they'd know that soon enough machines will need more resources than humans.

4. A Utopian Agenda that “Peter” claims isn’t Utopian, yet the ‘research institute’ even describes itself as being Utopian / Futurist. History proves that all forced utopias become dystopias.

5. Selfish Transhumanist agenda.

6. Cashless (non-backed by Gold/etc) economic system. A ‘Resource Economy’ has been tried before… in the Soviet Union.

7. Population Control. To meet these targets as policy sounds like a slippery slope to me.

8. The global government run by a global 'god-on-earth' AGI computer network to replace all world religions.

QUESTIONS:
Even if you might dismiss the context of my outline above, please answer these questions:

A: How could the ZM be implemented without a totalitarian regime to enforce it? Don't forget the idea of the ZM is that its to be global in scale.

B: How is it any different than Communism?

C: What about private property rights? What are PJ and JF's views on this? What is yours?

D: Who will pay for it initially?

E: What about the jobs robots cant replace? And who decides who gets the crappy jobs or the good jobs?

F: Are there ANY comparable examples of this system in history that worked?

G: What evidence exists to support the idea of the Resource Economy, that is the "abundance" part that is crucial to the feasability of the utopia.

H: Do you truly believe that there is any one size fits all approach to the entire globe and all of its social systems?

I: How can you have an all powerful, global scale system of the greatest power ever considered, totally centralized, and expect that this thing representing an elite cabal would ever give up said power, no matter what or who has this power? And please spare me, we're talking about the global management of the entire earth and its resources. The ZM is no less subject to how things work out in practice historically, than is the USA, or am I mistaken??

J: What about transition??
Explain to me the transition! My argument is that it would take tyranny just to maintain it. Yet how do you transition it in without dictatorial tyranny? How many decades would it take. What suffering is this goal worth to get there? Has anyone actually thought this experiment all the way thru?

K: Explain the transition to this idea that nobody will have to work anymore, please.

L: How can you promise that this system wouldnt calculate its numbers, in order for the utpopia to work, and decide that major population numbers wouldnt need to be exterminated?

M: After handing all power over to the AI god global computer network, how can you promise that it wont decide that all humans wont need to be turned into compost?

N: How does PJ make the jump from the tyranny of the Federal Reserve system as being the problem, to money period as the problem to be eliminated?

O: Explain how we 'get rid of' 'money'. Will there not be a 'credits' sort of system? If there is, how is this different than 'money'? No 'monetary units' whatsoever? If not, please explain the model.

That should be all. I hope we get to discuss all of this, as it would have to be pretty embarassing for you if this gets deleted. I mean, if you cant openly address criticisms then it already proves this system is no different than Stalinism.

One more question. I can likely come up with impossible questions indefinitely, but I'll stop with this one last issue:

Where are you going to get the computer system smart enough to manage all of the earths resources? Anyone who knows anything knows humans arent smart enough to manage all resources like VP prophecizes. But where will you get the computer to do it, I mean other than from the DARPA / NASA / Google AGI overlord project? And what if such a smart computer isnt possible, does this mean that ZM isnt either???

Allow me to be the first to say (and trust me, there will be many)...
"You Just Don't Get It" (TM)

AnaThemaX wrote:
Allow me to be the first to say (and trust me, there will be many)...
"You Just Don't Get It" (TM)

Ok, then explain it to me. If thats the general answer i'm to get then I'd be turned off to this movement based on this idea alone.

I think this new title is much better...

What happened to mortons response? I cant see it now. I had seen it before I replied to the first reply, it was long and it was against my post, but now I cant see it anymore.

IIB wrote:
AnaThemaX wrote:
Allow me to be the first to say (and trust me, there will be many)...
"You Just Don't Get It" (TM)

Ok, then explain it to me. If thats the general answer i'm to get then I'd be turned off to this movement based on this idea alone.

At this juncture I am obligated, by Venus Project protocol, to suggest that you read the 87 page orientation guide. All questions will be answered within. Or at least that is what I'm told.

Warning: Enlightenment upon reading the Orientation Guide is not guaranteed. No refunds or partial refunds will be granted.

P.S. "You still don't get it" (TM)

morton had to go.

I've read it well enough. I was hoping YOU could explain it to me since the orientation guide is specifically how I got to my conclusion. It says global government, that wont be like the bad one we always hear about. Or that sort of thing. Here's an idea that isn't even new, and ususally leads to evil, but this time it wont be bad. I want someone to explain these notions of HOW they COULDNT be any different than all of these things that arent even new ideas, which also have ample enough historical examples to show tyranny (every single time in many cases). Even the sicence fiction stuff that basically promises tyranny, is mentioned and then shrugged off as 'this, but good this time'.

I must say, that if there is an official "Z Protocol" as you've now said, which is to stop asking questions and just reread the ZM manual, then my new question is now "How is this any different than a cult such as Scientology"????
Or, if there isn't a "Z Protocol" like that then I'll put that question off for now...