The Venus Project or any RBE..//PROBLEMS 5 Months, 4 Weeks ago
Okay, well then, lets try this as a question.
List the main order categories and specific sets of problems that must be resolved.?
You tell me what you think the process is to get from here to there and what those problems are.
Then, I will tell you how much merit your model has.
To speed things up so you don't just sit there stunned into still trolling me silence
and confusion, lets speed things up along a bit shall we?
Please, by all means, you now please explain to us your list of problems which are the sub problems which is the macro problem of how to create and work and run and have a real world...frankly... ironically..amusingly enough...EVERY pie in the sky dream...
ultimately dependent upon right application of science facts and smart machines;
not mere propaganda fictions and ad hominem stick fights.
So, you tell me; what is the collection of main problems and what the solutions are.
And just to make it easy, since i already know nobodies done their homework, I will start you off on it.... READY?
SET?
GO?
The problem is a multi faceted problem consisting in the main parts of smaller sub problems the main echos of the needs themselves.
There is an economic, a social, an emotional, an informational, and a transcendent dimension to the problem.
The problem is the inverse scale of the maslow hierarchy pitted against good things
versus intentional obsolescence drivel and intentional low tech entrapment.
In other words the core main dimensions of how to arrive at an RBE or an eden or any other thing you want in some senses period;
Each has a physical, a social, an emotional, an intellectual, and a transcendent component.
Your substanceses, your economics, your physical reality and its needs...
one set of problems.
Your social systems.. another set of problems.
Your intellectual systems... another set of problems.
Your ability to actually be sane and not projecting your emotions in a conversation?
not projecting your propaganda drivel and empty opinion in ignorance into air time?
KEY ingredient.
And then theres that "transcendent factor. Shhhhh. Can't talk about that.
Keep it in the closet, bound and gagged and drugged and unconscious...
The secret unsecret game; you are telepathic and you can't consciously know it.
The collective unconscious is as real in it brane interaction strength and universe as our brane interactions are here; those brains are based around ideas themselves
whereas our branes are gravito-phasic.
The universe is only ONE scalar, fractal, phased, supersymmetric, scalarly repeating
thing and YOU ARE IT.
so every major problem relates causally to all the other problems.
I'm not sure what to think; you tell me something doesn't relate?
No. I will tell you how to solve problems and you will either listen or civilization will fall.
what you need to learn to do is ask an honest question.
How does this relate?
now, thats a meaningful question an oracle can manage.
The answer is;
"Spiritual reality" is the subtle human dimension. You don't have to believe in anything to understand it, its fine if you think its all part of the brain.
That part doesn;t matter, it would still then be the question of how and why the brains tendency to in gap fill end up looking a lot like magickal thinking.
But heres the rub. Approximate descriptions are always partly meaningful as some kind of description. It helps to know what the symbols really meant before being tossed into histories meat grinders....
Now, i will say it again. It does not matter. Not one bit. At all.
If you are an atheist; you still would want to have the the software to run your hardware. IE, all i am offering you is brodmann brain areas windows. You take it or leave it, but if you think humanity can compete in general, you need to go take a look at their "BASIC".
If you are a religion; period; no matter who you are your religion has been rotted for political purposes and all i offer you is what it was before they corrupted it.
Either way; I give athiests blue cogs in software metacode or spiritualists their gift as how to mend their broken paradigms.
I'm santa claus. Its an infinite gift. You can take it or leave it, and, it works wether you are atheist or spiritual.
Don't tell me that isn;t the answer to the entire frigging forum.
Post a new message in "PHILOSOPHY AND RELIGION"
Name: prometheuspan
Subject:
You can argue forever.
you can have a happy mob event and get the admins to boot me.
what you can't hope to do is solve your problems without me and people like me actually picking up torches you can only light and which we are the ones who have run and can run with.
In short;
Have you done your homework?
I studied all of world religions and the full batch of sciences all of it to well over most peoples heads.
The answer is not anything humans are likely to think up by arguing bitterly and propaganda warring over any time soon.
no, the answers, like i keep telling you truly are like arrows i fire; to land where you find them and build up stone temple pilot like the answers only mass intelligence can give to a problem...
on a WIKI...
not a forum.
We can bicker forever over false dualities or start solving our problems at both ends instead of from the ground up only.
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Then thought that I could decipher your message
There's no one here dear
No one at all
And if I'm wasting all your time
This time
Maybe you never learned to take
And if I'm hanging on to your shade
I guess I'm way beyond the pale
And souther men can grow gold
Can grow pretty
Blood can be pertty
Like a delicate man
Copper to steel to a hinge that is faltered
That let's you in let's you in let's you in
Somethings's just keeping you numb
You told me last night
You were a sun now with your very own
Devoted satellite
Happy for you
And I am sure that I hate you
Two sons too many too many able fires
And if I'm wasting all you time
This time
I think you never learned to take
And if I'm hanging on to your shade
I guess I'm way beyond the pale
(tori amos donut song)
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can you sing yourself a lullabye and ask and angel for a wing?
can you coax a fairy from its tree and let it on your dime then sing?
can you silence all reality and silence into the void
and walk away from the mirror on the insidhe paranoid?
can you whisper wishes to the djinis ,
can you call and inner wind?
can you turn and face the reaper,
and listen to that song
and use it to sprout wings from
and then get death to tag along?
Can you stop mere simple determinism, from making you its pawn,
can you be more than a demographia statistic in humanities march on?
can you leave behind the matrix?
can you talk with a tree?
can you stop being yourself to for a moment consider me?
Could you MEET me where i am, or even part the way;
could we make a mad dash for the infinite garden, ?
its a place i like to play...
out in the collective unconscious
out in gods mind ocean sea
out beyond the ego attachments
theres a you that can set you free
on wings of infinite godthoughts
to share a moment in gods mind
to know the universe as scalar fractal holomorph
and there yourself as adam kadmon echolation find
there is a place thats infinite, where all are terrified and yet yearn to go
where you can know truly anything that you can decide to know
where truth and knowledge and understanding illuminates true second sight
where consciousness is not an ego, but a playground in nyxs night
I'd meet you, and i'd show you
how to fly and how to sing
how to remember the growing
of the naguals wings
somewhere out where rumi wandered,
somewhere out where carlos casteneda lied
and don juans eagle flied
somewhere out where paradigms get twisted before they disappear in scalar perspectives
beyond where the leviathans tumble in hyper dimensional electives knots
out somewhere past carls sagans pale blue dot
out beyond da'ats apparent not
and yet so close it is yet all we truly fear
I, and the ally are waiting, and we would welcome you here.
"There is practically no end in science, and I think it requires some more humbleness than saying that you just can replace every opinion with facts."
you don't know me very well, do ewe.?
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perhaps if you didn't like spam you would be more careful what you made relevant.
i personally find it relevant, but then me having a conversation with a forum is my IQ test of it in progress.
The more important point in all of this is that we can replace all opinion with facts; and its really not as hard as
doing it as absolutely as I personally have.
Knowing even a small fraction of what I know could put you over as an escape for the matrix.
its the signal to noise ratio inside of your own skull that counts the most.
Reality or intelligence testing a forum is also about signal to noise ratio.
all you guys seem to be able to do is talk about me whilst i murmer at length about the secrets of the universe.
how easy is it for you to join me? and how much easier might it be if instead of fighting me you got used to the general principle
that me knowing all sorts of stuff means we can be nice to each other, not be in an ego contest.
But then, whatevas; the comedy gold of the situation is pearls to swine and determinism and humanity, falling off the assorted cliffs of its assorted
dilemmas into the sea like the proverbial lemmings.
Civilization and society only hurts itself when it doesn't listen to me; and every struggle in which i try to awaken the collective and it only fights me
still brings us closer to awakening. I can't lose my game because the place i am pointing is where the solutions are; only pain will be caused by not going
to the information, the truth, the understanding.
My way out is win win, where i win and everybody else wins sooner or later. The only question is how many "i told you sos" i get to stack.
Their way out is to try to pretend i'm an ego monster when the real truth is the difference between me and them is that i'm comparatively egoless.
Lose/lose, anti intellectualism rolls along.
Meanwhile, anybody could bother to collect the facts and actually solve the problems in a real way if they'd only run a real live 6 month long problem solving
process. (or, two weeks for aspie mind trip flight time.)
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ETHICS General
1. Endeavor to do the least possible or no harm to all persons, property, life, liberty, livelihood, environment, self, others, family, community, Country, World, Economies,
Children, Elders, Workers, Voters, and Ecosystems. (And so forth.)
2. Endeavor to make all of ones labor to meet ones own needs also coincide with the maximum energy potential of benefit to others. Practice the law of charity and reap
the rewards of the law of karma. Give your best to others and go the extra mile, for the
good of all, for the benefit of all of ones relations.
3. Emotions derive from primary instincts. Flight renders fear and fight renders Rage.
4. Emotional Energies are best resolved via right action problem solving process, not
allowing emotion to guide or control ones thinking or process.
5. The 1st and second principle applies as a matrix to the whole Needs Pyramid. That Pyramid consists of Physical needs at the base, social needs, emotional needs, mental
needs and spiritual needs at the top.
6. We only move up through the pyramid of needs one need at a time and in order of
priority for survival. Needs are coded as instincts that drive all of human behavior. All
behavior is tactic to meet ones needs. Behavior which harms others or which fails to benefit the whole of society is unethical behavior, but it must be understood to exist
as a psychology which is an instinct attached to a bad problem solving tactic. People
only act to meet their needs, if they act badly, what they need to act better is a better
tactic.
7. Thus do no harm and work for the good of all as you climb your pyramid of needs
and be cognizant of what your needs are, and lucid in terms of having good tactics that
are socially beneficial for meeting your needs.
8. Most morality can be expressed as iterations of the do no harm rule. Do no harm against ones relationship with spirit, Do no harm which would kill another person, do no
harm by stealing or thieving, do no harm by potentially transmitting STDS i.e., law against
Adultery, the list goes on etc; most of the Ten Commandments can be rewritten as specific details of the do no harm rule.
9. Ethics is the process of reconciling the needs of society with the drives of the Reptilian
and Mammalian Brain and thus Ethics are the laws of nature which allow us to exist in
peace as a culture or society instead of continuing the law of the jungle.
10. We are spirits in animal bodies, and there is a law of the jungle under our skins which must be somehow evolved and cultivated into cooperation (and cooperative
process) rather than violence (and violence as a problem solving process.) The law of the jungle is violence. The law of Angels is Cooperation.
11. Everything is connected to everything else, thus anything you do to another you do
to yourself. This becomes increasingly true as the law of karma carries out its permutation selections of what would otherwise be random chance rendering thus
synchronicities.
12. A person cannot obtain waking altered states of consciousness until they resolve
the assorted shadow issues of the Mammalian and Reptilian Mind.
PSYCHOLOGY General
1.Psychology is the study of the human mind. Most specifically the psyche, most generally All of human behavior.
2. The human Brain is composed of between 40 and 70 different organs, depending upon
how you define differences. These are called brodmanns brain areas. Each brain area
is responsible for specific types of brain processes and mental functions.
3. The human mind has four main operational conditions, they are beta brainwave states, alpha brainwave states, delta brainwave states, and theta brainwave states. Each of these might be further subdivided into waking or sleeping states of consciousness.
4. Beta brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the frontal lobes. Alpha brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the Mammalian brain or Occipital lobes, and Delta brainwaves states are those where the brain is dominated by the Reptilian Brain or brain stem. Theta brain wave states are
a second waking condition in which the body is healed, or, in which the normal flow of
dominance from top of brain to bottom of brain is reversed, and the bottom of the brain
loads information into the top, which is then experienced as dreams.
5. We have instincts which compel us to seek out gratification of our needs. All behavior is motivated by a conscious or unconscious belief that said behavior will get some need met.
6. Psychology involves first an instinct, which compels a thought process, and then a planning or strategizing session in which the individual uses their maps of reality and belief systems as well as learned knowledge and social conditioning to arrive at an end
product of doing something to get what you want. Schema are maps of reality which we
use as tools to meet our needs .Social Conditioning and personal experience and learning
play vital roles in helping the mind to think up tactics to meet needs.
7. Criminal behavior is behavior which that person believes will get their needs met. Punishment was well demonstrated to have little or no effect on learning curve. What is required for a person to change their behavior is a functional tactic that does work to get their needs met.
8. Groupthink is a social phenomenon of psychology where a group uses false
consensus process to end up behaving stupidly as a group. Groupthink occurs when
people cave into social pressures, where propaganda replaces knowledge or facts, and where group identity is created out of participation in group delusions, lies, codependency, or criminality. Groupthink is how a mob drifts to the lowest common denominator, and why a mob is potentially vicious, evil, and sociopathic. Group
authority ameliorates and dissolves personal conscience, and by having their emotions
manipulated and their social identity threatened, people give up their own better judgment and accept the judgment of the most psychopathic member of the group.
9. Pack Psychology is the psychology exhibited primarily by mammals in small groups
in which 3 primary roles are assumed by social participants. The roles are Alpha- the leader, Beta- the followers, and Delta- the orbiters. In human society that translates in a super-simplified way into bullies, cliques, and nerds.
10. Problem solving psychology must contend against groupthink and pack psychology in the arena of opinion. Problem solving psychology is emotionally neutral and uses the mind and logic to look at all aspects of a problem and try to come up with a viable problem solving process. Problem solving psychology is the worst enemy of both
Rightist and Leftist Dogmatists. True problem solving psychology comes from the place of the radical middle. It takes in all sides and all viewpoints, and it gives each its fair dues
And attention in creating a problem solving process that works from the big picture down through into the nano details.
SOCIOLOGY General
1. Sociology is the study of groups of people, how they interact, how they create and hold group structures and group identities, how they band together, how they deal with conflicts, and everything that whole groups of people do.
2. Sociology studies social units such as families, packs, tribes, villages, cities, hives, herds, and mobs.
3. The precarious balance of true democracy is that society must balance social welfare and social support and services against the counterweight of free enterprise. If the balance falls off towards social welfare, the society falls into entropy as the government destroys
private enterprise to fund social services. The result is socialism, which always decays into its own form of totalitarianism. If the balance falls off the other way, then free enterprise results in a plutocracy and then an oligarchy followed by mild oligarchic mercantilist fascism and then a severe oligarchic fascism. Socialism is not a whole goal
or endpoint we wish to arrive at, but the system "as is" is out of balance resulting in a corporate oligarchy. The only way to fix this is to return the power back to the people and
restore a genuine democracy.
4. Sociology understands that social phenomenon are very complicated, and that social problems have many underlying contributing causes for any given effect. Oversimplification, blaming, black and white thinking, and false dilemmas do not help to solve problems in a real way.
5. People are conditioned to behave by their social environment. Personal responsibility is important, but where statistics show a trend in negative or antisocial behaviors, Society
as a whole must shoulder some part of the blame and work to improve conditions socially
just as it works to rehabilitate the criminal, so should it seek to rehabilitate itself.
6. People have several layers of personal space, a psychological truth which is mostly subliminal, but which nonetheless governs almost all social interactions. People should learn to consciously understand personal space to cut down on miscommunication and stress due to problems handling personal space issues.
7. The best way to run a democratic system is by using consensus process to the point of
a clear and overwhelming (two thirds) majority. Consensus process means talking about and working out issues and differences to arrive at a mutually beneficial compromise much of the time.
8. The best guardian of the balance between socialism and free enterprise is intellectual meritocracy. A functional society should be free of propaganda, should not have anti-intellectualism, and should consider ideas on their rational merit, not according to what
others have to say or social pressures, but by means of a reproducible rational problem
solving application of intelligence and knowledge.
EDUCATION REFORM General
Curiosity drives learning if it is allowed to do so and not shut down.
Curiosity is shut down via the current system, creating the ADD disorder sudden appearance on the charts. One half of ADD is a person who can’t pay attention. The other half is a boring culture, delivery of information modus
operandi.
Curiosity driven learning involves more brain area participation. If a person doesn’t really like their experience, the subconscious mind edits it and doesn’t learn from it. Using curiosity driven learning potentially accelerates the learning curve such that it would not be unreasonable for the society of the future to expect the equivalent of a multiple PhD education from High School.
The largest obstacle to curiosity driven learning is the current student to teacher ratio. Curiosity driven learning requires a personal curriculum to be developed per child, an enormous labor process for most teachers. The cure is to use peer tutoring, and older child tutoring in conjunction with professional testers. Teachers are being asked do two different jobs, Teaching and Testing. Testing is incredibly underutilized. How can you know what a child is ready to learn if you have not learned from them who they are and what they know already?
The second largest obstacle is a lazy educational system which must be corrected
and re-educated itself. The educational paradigm being taught for use is not the one which is being taught in reform education psychology and sociology classes.
The first battery of tests should be; IQ tests, aptitude tests, Sanity tests, Type of intelligence per intelligence tests, learning style tests, performance tests, peer skills tests, comprehensive topical subject tests, and in general, any test which can be used to effectively appraise an individual child for the purposes of creating for that child a personalized curriculum.
The topics of psychology, sociology, conversational logic, and ethics should be added to the current curriculum for all Middle School (ages 12 to 14 or grades 6 thru 8) and High Schools
Personality differences including learning styles and Types of intelligence
Can mean that people learn in very different ways. Groups of students should be organized without regard so much to age as to learning style. A class full of visual
Learners from 3 age groups is better than a class full of kinesthetic learners and visual learners who find each other distracting and each others interactions with the teacher bizarre. Throw in some introverts and some extroverts and a speed-reader or two, and a teachers modus operandi cannot hope to reach well the different types of Students that s/he is teaching.
10. Our society is composed of a population which is by about 50 percent Anti-intellectual. (As part of a deep and long term attempt at denial of science facts)
The sheeple will crucify the nerds, that’s the end result of pack psychology and anti-intellectualist mob events. Both alleged “Sides” in the great orchestrated argument between left and right are delusional dogmatist simple minded over simplified versions of reality, oversimplified problem solving process, and thus oversimplified and therefore
Usually counterproductive pseudo solutions. Polarity does not contain sanity, both sides are polarized via each other, but the line that connects those two dots at no point in time Ever gets around to the big picture or the whole truth. Evolution and mother nature will on the other hand favor the nerds.
CIVIL ENGINEERING General
Civil Engineering is about how to build society or civilization from the nuts and bolts pragmatic perspective. A civil engineer is unconcerned with personally understanding
The social impact of their work unless they are specifically asked to think about that.
Rather, what a Civil engineer thinks about is how to build a structure, have it last, have
It mesh with its environment, have water flow around it, have wind not push it over. A Civil Engineer builds what society asks for generally, adding the details that make a description into an operational reality.
Many social and civil problems have civil engineering components. Energy usage
And creation, for instance, has both a social and a civil level as problems to be solved. Zoning laws and other social considerations limit what a civil engineer can do. And, rightly, civil engineering realities create limits for sociologists. Civil engineers are concerned with how efficiently resources are used, how much load a structure can bear, how well a structure accommodates traffic, and other details such as environmental impact.
Civil Engineering has aesthetic components, resource management components, construction components, and other issues which must be juggled for a good overall design and implementation.
Serious solutions for assorted problems are implied by depth understanding of civil engineering issues. Poverty for instance can in theory be out civil engineered by building the structures that are needed to house people, employment, education, and social welfare systems. The solution for instance to the Palestinian problem once diplomacy has finished is civil engineering; building the new State of Palestine and simultaneously building a strong Israel. Eco Villages, Tribal Arcologies, Permaculture,
Cable cars, Solar power, Geothermal power, Wind power, Tidal power, and other such
Civil engineering solutions can solve myriads of problems that would be untenable from the sociologist’s desk alone. Simultaneously, Good civil engineering requires us to be honest about things that don’t work, such as fossil fuels, bio-fuels, nuclear power, hydroelectric power from rivers and dams, and individualized mass transportation.
Ideally, most people should live in communities rather than in nuclear families
Cut off from community support, and communities should maintain community gardens
And local employment to increase the efficiency of civilization as a whole.
POLITICAL SCIENCE General
What kind of government does the USA have? What kind of government does Santa Barbara have? Because while it is intended to be an approximation of democracy, via
The process of representation, how much representation does the common person have
In a false dilemma war between republican and democrat? How much access do we have
To our representation? How much does our representation really work to represent us? And are they loyal to the people, or, are they loyal to that fraction of the people who can afford to belong to the aristocrat class? In theory, the political process is where and how society codes ethics and social and civil engineering into actual laws and rules and actions of the government. Politics might be defined as that sphere of social reality devoted to government, and in a democracy, Political science becomes the complicated process of getting social participants to fully invest in their own self governance.
Political science is thus about the cycle of communication, ideation, and manifestation of social and civil self administration. In America, this is a dialogue allegedly between any and all, but in reality, it is a monologue with two sock puppets
Taking up all of the air space. What difference is there between the $rich$ leftists and the
$rich$ rightists? Both rule over the under-caste of laborers and Workers, who in truth end up having little or no say in government. The masses are drowned out by two sock puppets screaming at each other.
Political Science combines all other sciences in one way or another. It involves Ethics, Morality, Physics, Architecture, Psychology, Sociology, Law, communications, Logic, and in one way or another every other science or paradigm. The subtopics of Political science are therefore Political Science sub all of the other Sciences and paradigms. But do our representatives have the information they need to juggle so many
Problems and issues? Do we as a society have a problem solving process, and are we solving problems? Or are we mostly making social problems worse by complicating society?
Perhaps more importantly, all of the sciences have bearing on Political Science.
Communications theory gives us solutions to most problems in government which we simply fail to employ. Civil Engineering tells us with mathematical certainty what the
Consequences are of building or failing to build any given thing. Sociology has the answers easily to almost all serious social problems. Hard Science can solve the energy
Crunch. The problem is that people are allowing money to make the decisions, not a lucid
Problem solving process. The problem is that the answers the sciences have to give us are being ignored, so that power hungry fools can continue to stay on top of their power-play games, and stay cozy, unaffected by truth or knowledge or reason.
All opinions were not created equal. The perspective of a sociologist is simply a more well formed perspective than a laypersons is if we are to seriously consider solving social problems. Opinion is based in emotions, in simplifications, and usually, in leftist or rightist sponsored propaganda. But neither left nor right side is interested in solving problems, as much as they are trapped in a net of their own making of lies they told themselves often enough that they believed them. The saddest part of ignorance is that if
People would just slow down, they could take the time to educate themselves.
